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Post by guydenruyter on Jun 1, 2007 12:11:11 GMT
Good decision!
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Post by juntatsuoka on Jun 1, 2007 16:03:12 GMT
Sound wise it's a great decision. If you get it from one of those 30 day money back guarantee places you should be fine. My only major issue with the 6HD is the black key white key response difference. At certain velocity settings, the difference is unacceptable.
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Post by gwenhwyfaer on Jun 1, 2007 19:32:37 GMT
...And yet I've never noticed a difference in velocity response - not even when I went and tested for it specifically. *shrug*
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Post by mps on Jun 1, 2007 19:36:17 GMT
...And yet I've never noticed a difference in velocity response - not even when I went and tested for it specifically. * shrug* Ditto. This is a non-issue with mine as well.
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Post by juntatsuoka on Jun 2, 2007 0:11:35 GMT
What velocity and sensitivity are you guys using? My 6hd is at the shop for repairs so I can't verify the setting but when I program drums I like the velocity curve EXP and about 60 on the sensivitity. I can not leave it at that setting and expect to play any black keys. Try playing a D major chord and the f sharp sticks out like a sore thumb. I listed this problem as one of my repairs so maybe they will fix it.
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Post by gwenhwyfaer on Jun 2, 2007 1:02:05 GMT
The EXP curve does imply that volume will rise, er, exponentially... so at higher velocities the effect of slight differences will be somewhat magnified compared with lower velocities. Are you sure it's not just that effect you're hearing? My current settings (which I've not noticed enough to fiddle with since I found them) are LOG/40. Nonetheless, I'm reminded of JJ Jeczalik's opinion that the Fairlight was best played in E, for much this kind of reason... (although as far as I can tell the keys that make most extensive use of the black keys are B major, Eb minor and Ab minor, so I wonder if David Crombie misremembered?)
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Post by juntatsuoka on Jun 2, 2007 1:27:40 GMT
I didn't choose EXP because of the term. I chose it because it seems to gives me access to the full 127 steps. I love the Sampleheads drum kit Hollow Sun uploaded a while back but at Log/60 I wasn't able to sequence any accents since my medium hits were reaching the max 127. After some experimenting with different settings and checking the individual hit values in the sequencer, I settled on EXP/60. Initially I wasn't blown away with those drums because I wasn't hearing all the samples that were velocity switching properly. Don't you agree though that at any velocity or sensitivity both white and black keys should respond closely?
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Post by gwenhwyfaer on Jun 2, 2007 4:24:47 GMT
Don't you agree though that at any velocity or sensitivity both white and black keys should respond closely? That's my point, though - if there is a difference in response, the EXP curve is the very worst curve to choose, as it will exacerbate the effect of any difference! Another thought from the try-doing-this-with-another-synth ideas cupboard: If you want decent feedback on how the velocity is tracking (or just to train yourself to hit keys precisely), make a patch with a route from velocity to one oscillator's pitch (with keytrack turned off), have another oscillator responding to keytrack normally, and see how hard you need to hit each key to get it in tune with itself... In any case, if you're using this with a drumkit (eg the Sampleheads one) and the main issue is getting the kit to play the right sample, surely it's easily solved by changing the velocity-split positions for the black keys to where you actually need them to be? Also, it sounds like a setting of 60 with the Log curve was actually too high for you - if you'd reduced it, to 40 or even lower, you might find it behaves a bit better.
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Post by juntatsuoka on Jun 2, 2007 18:21:46 GMT
I think you are right about the sensitivity setting. I think I settled on EXP/20. Doesn't LOG lower than 40 simply reduce the dynamic range too much? As I mentioned this is all from memory due to the current warranty repair. I will experiment with your suggestions when I get my 6HD back.
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Post by Hollow Sun on Jun 2, 2007 20:42:41 GMT
What velocity and sensitivity are you guys using? LIN/50 suits me just fine on my 8HD. But I believe Roberto and Dan use the same setting on their 6HDs without problems. And this is not because of a directive issued here ("You vil yoos LIN/50" ) - they pretty much settled on the the same settings themselves as the best compromise for playing internal and external sounds. But it's all very personal and subjective.
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Post by Failed Muso on Jun 3, 2007 9:01:43 GMT
What velocity and sensitivity are you guys using? LIN/50 suits me just fine on my 8HD. But I believe Roberto and Dan use the same setting on their 6HDs without problems. And this is not because of a directive issued here ("You vil yoos LIN/50" ) - they pretty much settled on the the same settings themselves as the best compromise for playing internal and external sounds. But it's all very personal and subjective. The first thing I do with any new keyboard I get is mess with the velocity settings. Not being trained in any way, I assume my playing style isn't quite right, so I always make the keyboard fit me. As Steve said, I ended up on LIN/50 and, coincidentally, so did him & Dan.
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Post by juntatsuoka on Jun 13, 2007 14:49:11 GMT
I finally got my Fusion 6HD back after three weeks of pre-warranty-running-out tune up. This is all personal preference but I do like programming drums with Velocity Curve: EXP and Velocity Scaling: 22. For all other sounds LIN 50 is perfect. The SH drums come alive with more dynamic range which allows me to throw in subtle ghost strokes or accents. I map two identical snares an octave apart and toms (between the snares) a few keys apart attempting to recreate the feel of real drums. The trouble was the 4 toms using black and white keys so the velocity on rolls were all whacked. I simply have to cut down to 3 toms and use only white keys.
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Post by lildave on Dec 24, 2007 3:02:23 GMT
Man, where have I been. This is the second Fusion I've owned and I must have been sleeping on the sounds that HS has given for free. I've noticed that I like them a lot more than the preset sounds that came on from the factory but they have never really floored me until last week. My jaw just dropped listening to these freepacks you've been giving to us. Only the Motif ES has done that to me before. I've listened to the OASYS and I wasn't impressed with the sounds. I am impressed with the capabilities though. I guess it's hard to impress me now after having the sounds you've been providing for us. I like the sounds on the M3 but it's really hard for me to be impressed when I can't hear the sounds in stereo. I hate having to demo keyboards on a mono amp. Where in the h#ll have I been. Many of the sounds I've been wishing for have been right here all along. Wow, talk about a blonde moment .(no offense to anyone). Anyway, I just wanted to voice my thoughts of gratitude to Hollow Sun for all you have done. I hope you'll continue to bless us with more great sounds whether they are free of charge or not. On another note, thanks for the help you've provided me with in the past whether I had how to questions or advice about other gear. You are appreciated. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
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Post by multor on Jan 6, 2008 18:02:03 GMT
What would be a Fusion without Hollow Sun sounds ... Thanks again for those great sounds !
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Post by hoojoosay on Mar 4, 2008 17:04:54 GMT
Friends,
What equipment can the S5/6000 version of 'Nebulae' be installed on - Fantom, Motif, Fusion? I ask because I would like to purchase the pack, but want to be able to use it on a couple of boards including my Fusion, but don't want to have to take my Fusion everywhere. Is it convertible?
Much thanks as always, Hooj
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