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Post by oliv928 on Jul 10, 2011 17:21:32 GMT
Hello fusionners, I have arranged this "classical piano" with nice and light non looped samples. It is mono velocity layered, and very light : less than 3Mo (21 samples). My Objectives were : 1 light weighted, 2 nice sample sounds, 3 SMOOTH at low vels and BRILLIANT at high vels. As I am not a sampling or synth specialist, I have tryed to use the filter modulation (freq and brightness) with velocity to simulate high velocities harmonics. I have also used compressor to have better average level, and EQ for having more trebles. I would like You to try it, please leave comments, and, such who want, improve it and write how You have done (if You can, upload the improved somewhere and leave link here). My first impression is : it is more sweet and less agressive than the Holly Grail. However, high harmonics are less present. I think it uses less memory. Here it is : dl.free.fr/rfO2Ax4ftpassword is : fusion cheers all, Olivier |
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Post by Jesse on Jul 10, 2011 21:45:18 GMT
I tried to download it several times, but it does not work for me
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Post by oliv928 on Jul 10, 2011 22:27:19 GMT
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Post by oliv928 on Jul 10, 2011 22:42:55 GMT
About the program : I don't know why there is this noise at the release of the keys. Of course, some samples are not perfect and should be cleaned with an audio editor/cleaner. But there should be also a problem in the sampling engine. One parameter about legato or release or something like that should not be correct. It is not a problem of loop adjustment because there is no loop. The other problem is : for adding high velo brilliance i put some filter modulation + EQ. It works but make it sound lowFi to my taste. The final result is quite nice but not perfect at all...
Waiting for Your opinions.
ps : I use it on CF. So, I hope the link between program/multisamples and samples work if You transfer it on the fusion HDD.
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Post by Jesse on Jul 11, 2011 2:01:04 GMT
Thanks, I got, I'll check it out tomorrow  |
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Post by Jesse on Jul 11, 2011 14:39:36 GMT
would someone list the minimal number of samples you need to make a good piano program and which notes should be used?
Thanks ... Jesse
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Post by oliv928 on Jul 11, 2011 15:00:53 GMT
I don't understand your post Jesse. Someone ? Who ? Would ? Why ?
For this program I have not used all the samples I have. I have eliminate some ( 2 I think) because they don't have the necessary brillance.
Also : I discovered my samples are 11Khz . that is why it is very light, but also the sound is quite "low fi" especially after filter mod and EQ.
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Post by kpr on Jul 11, 2011 16:03:28 GMT
would someone list the minimal number of samples you need to make a good piano program and which notes should be used? There is no definitive rule as it depends on the actual sound. Use 20 or so as a start, this means every third. Some might work with less, others with more. Even All-88 is not the holy grail as every tone of a Grand Piano comes with own harmonics, so it might sound inconsistent when using all 88, but cool when using just those 20 that fit nicely together. Usually the troublemaking section is the middle range, you might need close intervals there. And it depends on your choice how the bass and treble ranges should sound. Also there is the primary difference between a pianist's demand and someone else's who is just looking for the sound character but not for the entire dynamic range. Although I did several Grand Piano sample libraries, not only for the Fusion, I still find the internal Holy Grail very nicely done and I am using it often. Even on my latest CD album and throughout all the songs. Recently I reviewed the Korg Kronos for the german magazine amazona.de and tried out the both 4.5 GB internal grands. They are really nice, but I can't say that the are better or worse than others. They are simply good, saying that from my personal view as being a pianist. I also read in forums that some people don't like them. So it is a individual thing at all and it explains the many different Pianos in stores :-) |
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Post by oliv928 on Jul 11, 2011 18:15:57 GMT
I totally agrea with kpr. Only the result is important, the pleasure of playing it, and, sometimes, the ability to use it in a mix, or in a band.
This light piano has, to my mind something nice, classical and very "acoustic". As a result of the "poor" 11KHz, its sound is not THE SOUND, but : it weight very low and, in a certain focus, has is LowFI "personnality".
I will try to fix this release spit noise. I have read ALESIS manual yesterday evening, but did not try any solution yet.
What are your opinion about it ? I am curious about it. I would be very pleased and proud if You like it, and use it. cheers all
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Post by Jesse on Jul 12, 2011 2:00:49 GMT
I don't understand your post Jesse. Someone ? Who ? Would ? Why ? For this program I have not used all the samples I have. I have eliminate some ( 2 I think) because they don't have the necessary brillance. Also : I discovered my samples are 11Khz . that is why it is very light, but also the sound is quite "low fi" especially after filter mod and EQ. When it comes to sampling and programing music I am very much a novice and was hoping someone else could provide some help to eliminate the clicking noise which is only present when you release the keys, hopefully some one can provide an idea how to eliminate the clicking noise. I am just trying to help and learn at the same time. Sorry if I offended you. Take Care ... Jesse |
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Post by kpr on Jul 12, 2011 5:49:37 GMT
someone else could provide some help to eliminate the clicking noise which is only present when you release the keys, hopefully some one can provide an idea how to eliminate the clicking noise. I haven't tried the Preset, but clicking when release the keys sounds like Envelope problem. If the Release amount is too low it might happen. I read that the samples are unlooped, so perhaps there is not any Envelope setting? You can view also the Modulation Matrix for wrong Env Mod settings. |
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Post by Jesse on Jul 12, 2011 14:04:06 GMT
Thanks for the info klaus  |
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Post by Jesse on Jul 12, 2011 22:54:08 GMT
I copied your pianoss files to the hard drive and it did not work due to one reference to the CF card in the program file and eleven in the multisample file, I changed these references to hard drive using a hex editor (based on info I read from mibrue fusioneer.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=hints&thread=671&page=1#4323) I copied the modified files to my Fusion hard drive and your pianoss acoustic piano program worked just fine running from the hard drive, except for the click noise you mentioned after you release the keys. I have been playing around with various settings, but have had no luck so far in eliminating this key release noise. |
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Post by oliv928 on Jul 13, 2011 9:02:13 GMT
Thanks Jess,
And what did You think of the sound. Did You like it ? I think it is not to bad. Very coloured, a little bit LOFI, due to the 11KHz, but I think it can be usefull for certain ambiance, very "classical" and nostalgic. What is You opinion ?
I will look to eliminate this clip noise. It is not due to Envelop as sugested kpr because there isnt any.
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Post by kpr on Jul 13, 2011 12:44:30 GMT
To figure out the click noise issue you can view the mentioned Envelope and Modulation data and compare it with a Grand Piano factory Preset as those are done correctly. This should help to locate the problem and how to fix it.
I can not recommend unused Envelope settings even for unlooped samples.
In case if it's the sample itself and not a Release time setting problem: Load the sample in a graphical audio editor and check the very last sample end. If there is a click in the sample, you should see it in the Editor. This helps to check whether it's a sample problem or a parameter setting problem in the Fusion.
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