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Post by kpr on Jul 23, 2008 23:06:18 GMT
Thanks madprof That's true there are loops, it's quite hard for me to make loops as light as possible. I would like to know sound designers' secret The secret of making perfect sustain loops is: Using the right software. There are several programs with pretty good autoloop functions, that´s what you need. Try Endless WAV, Seemless looper, Sample Robot, Infinity. Depends on your computer and your financial budget, but if you have PC and need a freeware then Endless WAV could be your toy. There are some knowledge things too about sample looping, you can get that by doing loops. There are short loops and long loops. Short loops are doing a waveform and the timbre and pitch of this waveform should be exactly like the sample and it´s sustain phase. A long loop is done by searching the zero point of the amplitude. You can see this when viewing the waveform in your editor, it helps to use the zoom function for a close look. If there will be still a slightly noise, then use the crossfade function to smooth the loop point. Use higher crossfade values only for phasing effects, moving pads, etc. Hope this helps! Let me know if you need a link for the mentioned softwares. If you want to know all secrets about sampling and doing the right things to save time and make it perfect right out of the box, then consider purchasing my book "Sample This! Edition Three", I wrote it in cooperation with Simon Cann and it´s content covers everything about sampling and working with samples. Cheers Klaus P.S.: Endless WAV download link here: www.bjoernbojahr.de/
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Post by Hollow Sun on Jul 24, 2008 2:07:11 GMT
+1
I gave up looping on hardware years ago (*). It can be done but software editors are much better for this ... and frankly, Fusion's own on-board sample and loop editing functions are crap. They can be used and they work but they are cumbersome to use in the extreme - better to record, edit and loop your samples on a PC/Mac and then convert them to Fusion.
As Klaus mentions, there are many different applications to choose from for editing and looping samples. FWIW, I use Infinity (less so now that I am on OSX - Infinity is is OS9 only), Bias Peak and/or DSP Quattro. These are Mac apps - many more are available for PC.
(*) That said, I still use - and rely on - the looping functions of my Akai S500 as it has functions that even software can't offer (even if the waveform display isn't as detailed).
As for finding the best loops, it IS a bit of a black art and 90% or more is just kinda 'knowing' from looking at the waveform and just 'knowing' intuitively where best to place the loop points and letting the software apps take over. That - I'm afraid - only comes with experience and trial and error. That and deciding which kind of loop is most appropriate - the single cycle loop or the longer loop. The likes of Klaus and I have been doing this day in, day out for years and we kinda 'know' what to do.
To use an analogy....
A few years ago , we added a conservatory to our house. All sorts of workmen were involved. None of them took measurements - they just knew what to do because that's what they do every day. When the conservatory was built, the final stage was having a carpenter to lay the floor. He didn't take any measurements either - he just looked at it, held his thumb up with a few squints and started cutting the wood and without fail, everything just slotted into place. It's what he does day in day out, every working day of the year and he's been doing it for years. He just 'knew' what to do. And it was perfect.
If I'd tried to do it, I'd have fucked it up big time and it would look a mess.
I don't want to suggest that looping etc., is beyond your ability or that we sample developers are somehow special - we're not ... we've just done it a lot more than you have and so kinda just 'know' what to do ... like the carpenter in my conservatory.
Read, learn, digest and practice. My first attempts at looping were appalling. Like everything, the more you do it, the better you become.
Fortunately there are apps out there now to make the process easier.
Steve
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Post by guillaume35 on Jul 24, 2008 6:02:58 GMT
Hello, thank you very much for thoses very helpul informations . I make my samples on the Fusion sampler, it will certainly be easier on a software to get perfect loops. First I will try freewares as Endless Wave. I could quickly follow your advices as this week-end I will be at my sister's house and plan to sample her digital piano Korg Concert 3500. I like quite much its organ and strings
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