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Post by kpr on Aug 7, 2008 14:44:53 GMT
You´re definitely right.
Of course there is still space for a really well done Rhodes that is eating a big junk from the RAM all alone, and the note with the special attention regarding the upper range is correctly too.
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Post by christianrock on Aug 11, 2008 16:12:54 GMT
My question recently has been, how did Roland do it with the XP30/60/80? These synths had meager memory, yet the Rhodes sound good (though very Roland-processed). Same with my Korg NS2R. By listening to the EPs, you'd NEVER tell that the thing had 8Mb of sound RAM - total! These weren't top notch, and I admit that in the middle ranges the Fusion does sound better, but they sound a lot more natural in the upper ranges.
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Post by Hollow Sun on Aug 11, 2008 16:20:05 GMT
Because they are the true masters of 'bonsai' sampling using 'old skool' techniques. They also spend (literally) $millions on sound library. They also use proprietary techniques which I can't discuss due to non-disclosure agreements I have with both companies for the work I did for them. It is fairly well known, however, that Roland use a proprietary data compression system that effectively makes that 8MB equivalent to 16MB.
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Post by mpgk on Aug 21, 2008 15:38:58 GMT
Because them [Roland] are the true masters of 'bonsai' sampling using 'old skool' techniques. They also spend (literally) $millions on sound library. They also use proprietary techniques which I can't discuss due to non-disclosure agreements I have with both companies for the work I did for them. Without having extensive knowledge about anything cocerning this, I have to agree about Roland being true masters of putting quality in minimum space. I used to work for a software company making video game music in .mid format and played around with tons of GM soundfonts to hear how the tracks sounded with them - some of them were ridiculously huge and none of them sounded as balanced and as usable as the Roland SoundCanvas shipped with Windows. Size: 3,28 MB.
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Post by guydenruyter on Aug 21, 2008 15:49:23 GMT
Because them [Roland] are the true masters of 'bonsai' sampling using 'old skool' techniques. They also spend (literally) $millions on sound library. They also use proprietary techniques which I can't discuss due to non-disclosure agreements I have with both companies for the work I did for them. Without having extensive knowledge about anything cocerning this, I have to agree about Roland being true masters of putting quality in minimum space. I used to work for a software company making video game music in .mid format and played around with tons of GM soundfonts to hear how the tracks sounded with them - some of them were ridiculously huge and none of them sounded as balanced and as usable as the Roland SoundCanvas shipped with Windows. Size: 3,28 MB. Yes, I reluctantly agree... my old JV 1080 still sounds fan-bloody-tastic, some samples sound so natural... and in addition to being master in sampling, imho, Roland also invests a lot of effort in making the programs very expressive (e.g. very subtle aftertouch control for wind instruments etc).
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Post by Hollow Sun on Aug 21, 2008 16:18:06 GMT
in addition to being master in sampling, imho, Roland also invests a lot of effort in making the programs very expressive. Yes - they employ some stellar musicians (at enormous cost) to get that right. With regard to their GM set (and other manufacturers'), I think they are very carefully tailored so that the sounds sound good together (I've not worked on any of their GM stuff so can't say for sure). If you play them in isolation, they can sound a bit underwhelming and lack-lustre ... but played together (with a good arrangement), they can sound marvellous. I was a trade show with the old Akai in the UK midlands many years ago (greyjumpsuit will remember this) and Roland had the adjacent booth. I think we were showing the S3000 and MPC-something or other. Anyway, we heard this fantastic orchestral piece coming from the Roland booth and immediately assumed it was their (new?) S770 sampler. So we went to see what the competition had on offer..... Only to discover that they were showing off their cheap and cheerful MT32!!! Steve
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Post by mpgk on Aug 21, 2008 17:43:07 GMT
With regard to their GM set (and other manufacturers'), I think they are very carefully tailored so that the sounds sound good together (I've not worked on any of their GM stuff so can't say for sure). If you play them in isolation, they can sound a bit underwhelming and lack-lustre ... but played together (with a good arrangement), they can sound marvellous. That's what I meant by "balanced" - there are lots and lots of GM soundfonts with a good "Overdriven Guitar" or "Honky-Tonk Piano", but played together it sounds muddy and rubbish - not so with the ol' '96 Roland DLS.
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Post by christianrock on Aug 21, 2008 21:12:59 GMT
Having Eric Persing at the time didn't hurt them either.
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Post by christianrock on Aug 27, 2008 22:33:00 GMT
Has anyone ported the Indiginus Rhodes/Wurly samples to the Fusion yet? How many layers does it have? From the demo at his site, it sounds awesome in the high notes, I can't believe I didn't see this earlier. For 5 US dollars, too!!!
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Post by Hollow Sun on Aug 28, 2008 2:00:32 GMT
Has anyone ported the Indiginus Rhodes/Wurly samples to the Fusion yet? How many layers does it have? From the demo at his site, it sounds awesome in the high notes, I can't believe I didn't see this earlier. For 5 US dollars, too!!! Come on, Chris - keep up and pay attention! Freepack #16 at www.hollowsun.com/downloadsThis Freepack is a little Christmas gift for Fusioneers - it's a very nice and authentic set of samples taken from a certain 'classic electric piano'! It is multi-sampled and also velocity layered with three levels (pp, mf and ff). It has the 'tinkly' upper range and a mellow and 'plummy' mid to low range.
I am grateful to Tracy Collins of Indiginus for donating the samples from his own 'classic electric piano'. He made them available to the Akai S5/6000 community but was happy to let the Fusion community have them as well.I am wondering if there is perhaps something of a preset/download overload here - so many sounds that people can't see the wood from the trees!! Steve
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Post by guydenruyter on Aug 28, 2008 9:23:06 GMT
Has anyone ported the Indiginus Rhodes/Wurly samples to the Fusion yet? How many layers does it have? From the demo at his site, it sounds awesome in the high notes, I can't believe I didn't see this earlier. For 5 US dollars, too!!! Come on, Chris - keep up and pay attention! Freepack #16 at www.hollowsun.com/downloadsThis Freepack is a little Christmas gift for Fusioneers - it's a very nice and authentic set of samples taken from a certain 'classic electric piano'! It is multi-sampled and also velocity layered with three levels (pp, mf and ff). It has the 'tinkly' upper range and a mellow and 'plummy' mid to low range.
I am grateful to Tracy Collins of Indiginus for donating the samples from his own 'classic electric piano'. He made them available to the Akai S5/6000 community but was happy to let the Fusion community have them as well.I am wondering if there is perhaps something of a preset/download overload here - so many sounds that people can't see the wood from the trees!! Steve Indeed, this HS Freepack is OBLIGATORY if you're into vintage keys. Alesis should make it compulsory that anyone who even looks at a Fusion plays at least 30 minutes on the presets of this Freepack.
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Post by markone on Aug 28, 2008 10:10:57 GMT
Yes... I was going to say about Freepack 16 a few posts back, but assumed the OP must have it but didn't find it to their taste.
Personally I think it's one of the most stonkingly good sounds in my fusion. Long long ago I used a Rhodes suitcase with our band, back in the day (and carried it up to upstairs venues!!!!) and to my ears FP16 totally captures that sound.
Last year I did a gig (it's a rare event these days) where I used FP16 with a dusting of chorus, and played DI'd through the PA, with my keyboard amp as foldback it was magical on the ballad we used it on.
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Post by christianrock on Aug 28, 2008 16:45:23 GMT
Has anyone ported the Indiginus Rhodes/Wurly samples to the Fusion yet? How many layers does it have? From the demo at his site, it sounds awesome in the high notes, I can't believe I didn't see this earlier. For 5 US dollars, too!!! Come on, Chris - keep up and pay attention! Freepack #16 at www.hollowsun.com/downloadsThis Freepack is a little Christmas gift for Fusioneers - it's a very nice and authentic set of samples taken from a certain 'classic electric piano'! It is multi-sampled and also velocity layered with three levels (pp, mf and ff). It has the 'tinkly' upper range and a mellow and 'plummy' mid to low range.
I am grateful to Tracy Collins of Indiginus for donating the samples from his own 'classic electric piano'. He made them available to the Akai S5/6000 community but was happy to let the Fusion community have them as well.I am wondering if there is perhaps something of a preset/download overload here - so many sounds that people can't see the wood from the trees!! Steve Steve, you aren't paying attention this time, not me, sorry! I've been talking about the high range of the existing Rhodes sounds and how they just don't sound good due to excessive aliasing. Klaus understood this it a few posts back, as seen on the top of the page... Indiginus only gave you middle-of-keyboard samples. His sample set is bigger than what he gave you (his Wurly+Rhodes is 4.8K, the sample set he gave you is .4K). That's the reason why in his demo, the high notes sound wonderful, while on your freepack... the middle range sounds good, yet the high notes just don't sound realistic. I'm not complaining, it's free after all, I'm just trying to find something that would sound as good as a Rhodes sample on one of the latest Clavia, Korg, Roland or Yamaha product, even if I have to pay a little bit. I don't think that's asking too much...
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