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Post by kpr on Apr 22, 2009 17:36:18 GMT
Indeed, Liam, and I appreciate this very much.
Thanks for all the input regarding the book. Let me know everything else you're interested in. As you read above the book will be printed by print-on-demand services, so even later updates are possible.
Cheers
Klaus
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Post by froggy54 on Apr 23, 2009 21:31:30 GMT
Arpeggios seems to be a great forgotten feature of the Fuson and I see I'm not the only one would like to go deeper in that direction (with the invaluable help of Klaus book). I must admit that I have not yet been able to produce some "new" sounds from the reed model. Is it useless or am I just a bit short of sound designing talent ? Sure the second option is right but maybe both. More experienced users might have a opinion on the oportunity to write a chapter about it.
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Post by Shreddie on Apr 24, 2009 19:58:18 GMT
I must admit that I have not yet been able to produce some "new" sounds from the reed model. Is it useless or am I just a bit short of sound designing talent ? Sure the second option is right but maybe both. More experienced users might have a opinion on the oportunity to write a chapter about it. I don't think much of the Reed model, it seems very limited in terms of what you can get out of it.
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Post by valiant on Apr 26, 2009 23:39:58 GMT
Hi Klaus,
Thanks for all your work with Fusion sound libraries and for bringing out a book on the Fusion.
Re topics in that book that would be of particular interest to me:
- One thing I would like to understand and utilise better is how to use tables in the Fusion modulation matrix. Some examples that demonstrate the potential of this feature would be interesting
- Any hints on how to make really expressive instruments
Regardless, I will be looking forward to the release of your book as I am hoping that it will help fill a gap in my understanding of the fusion.
Thanks and best regards,
Valiant
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Post by kpr on Apr 27, 2009 7:11:32 GMT
Thanks again for the additional hints regarding the book topics. It helps a lot to find out what's on the topic wishlist.
Cheers
Klaus
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Post by froggy54 on Apr 27, 2009 20:09:19 GMT
Hi Fusioneers,
How about a chapter dealing with sound designing with the Fusion that would give the traditional recipes of sound designing (let's detune those OSC, let's swwep the filter, ...) applied to the Fusion VA with examples showing how to recreate famous sounds of the past decades. As far as I am concerned, a bit of theory would do good !
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Post by rainbow on Apr 27, 2009 22:02:20 GMT
I second froggy54's suggestion above ... tutorial style with examples of famous sounds to follow would be a great help to get started with the 'under the hood tweaking' and would be much appreciated by me ... also working with arps and mixes. Looking forward to the book Klaus
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Post by froggy54 on Apr 29, 2009 19:36:17 GMT
Hi Fusioneers,
I can already imagine the way it could be done :
Descriptions of the original sound : Shine on you crazy diamond lead synth of the late Rick Wright for example. A typical Minimoog sound (was it really ?) saw osc + low pass filter + sine LFO gently modulating the pitch ...
How to recreate it with the Fusion : saw oscillator or ROM saw wave ? wich filter, wich LFOs, Modulation, ...
That sure would be both a good way of learning how to design sounds and make the right choices with our Fusion and a good way to play with the great synth. sounds who made us want to play !
Klaus, do you think it would be possible to do that ?
All the best !
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Post by Shreddie on Apr 30, 2009 0:54:25 GMT
Guys, I think you may be asking a bit much from a book that seems to be more about the technical and operational aspects of the Fusion. A chapter on basic sound design and theory may be useful but sound creation is a BIG subject! Especially in a synth like the Fusion which has several different synthesis engines. Although I don't own any of them, there are books out there which deal with sound design in detail, there are also massive resources out there on the net. The largest of which (to my knowledge) is the "synth secrets" series which ran for over five years in Sound on Sound magazine. You can find links to all parts of that series here. If sampling is more your scene, then I suggest you read The lost art of sampling which was written by our very own Steve. Now, while both of those series are large and cover alot of ground, they are not quite fully comprehensive. Different equipment and different people have different ways of doing things, sometimes different ways of doing the same thing! Nothing can cover all that kind of ground. The best thing to do is absorb all you can from all the information available and experiment... Lots! I know that there are people who have been creating sounds for 20 years or more and are still learning new things every day. I've been doing it for about 18 years (for my own purposes) and I still have much to learn... And I know that I'll still be learning in another 18 years time. The thing is, (and I'm talking about VA/analogue synthesis here) if someone was just to tell you what waveforms and what filter to use, you wouldn't learn much. The only option is to do it yourself and listen to what everything sounds like, learn to distinguish the different waves by ear. Sine and triangle sound similar, what make the saw wave different? How does pulse width affect the sound of the pulse wave etc? What does oscillator sync sound like? Why is it different with different waveforms and frequencies? What makes a low pass filter a low pass filter and how does it affect the different waveforms? Why is it so different to a highpass? How does resonance come into play and what does it do to the sound? The list goes on. Only by taking the time to understand things like that will you learn anything really useful. Over time though, you'll be able to listen to a track with an analogue synth sound you like. You'll be able to hear what waveform(s) are used, the filters etc and you'll be able to create your own version of it. Of course, the other option is to take a look at the presets on the Fusion, there's plenty of VA stuff on there. By poking the edit button you'll be able to see how it was put together. Try changing things and listen to what happens as you do. If you change one into a sound you like, save it. Over time you'll figure things out and be able to reverse engineer them. I know all of this sounds time consuming but that's because it is! At least in the beginning. Unfortunately, it's the only way to really learn and become truly proficient. It can be very rewarding and really great fun though!
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Post by rainbow on Apr 30, 2009 6:11:59 GMT
Some very useful tips there Shreddie and thanks for posting the Sound on Sound link too I agree with all you say and I would not be looking for that sort of in depth stuff ... just Fusion specific tips and maybe a tutorial style example or two is more what I had in mind Cheers ... Rainbow:)
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Post by kpr on Apr 30, 2009 10:33:13 GMT
All the input and hints are welcome.
Of course it is impossible to cover everything about synths and sound programming in general, because there are already those general purpose books available. But surely special sounddesign handling and tips with the clear focus on the Fusion and how to make it with the Fusion are already done and will appear in the book. The complete book content size will be limited with about 120 pages, so it is certain that some minor issues will be unconsidered.
Also the general sampling process with a complete guide and all related issues are already covered in the available book "Sample This! Edition Three", I wrote that together with Simon Cann.
Anyway this thread gives a good impression about what is requested in the first place and as promised I will consider everything I can.
Cheers
Klaus
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Post by Shreddie on Apr 30, 2009 11:07:12 GMT
Oh, and don't forget a page with all the hidden button combinations/features and those that you can hold at start-up to do certain things.
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Post by Shreddie on Apr 30, 2009 11:41:26 GMT
Some very useful tips there Shreddie and thanks for posting the Sound on Sound link too Any time! I bet there's one thing that you haven't done with your Fusion yet. I spotted in your signiture that you're a guitarist. Well, the Fusion is a pretty poweful effects unit in it's own right. In it's VA engine, you can set the oscillators to take audio from the sampling inputs. Try plugging your guitar into a preamp then the preamp into these inputs. Now you'll be able to use the Fusions filters, modulation and effects with your guitar! You could try using an LFO to modulate the volume for tremolo, or route it to panning. You could even route it to the filter for a wah... Only it wouldn't be just any wah, you've got all 26 filter types and resonace to play with so it's kinda like 26 wah pedals in one! With an expression pedal also plugged into the Fusion and appropriately set up, you could control the filter (or any available parameters) with it. If you have a programmable MIDI foot board like the Roland FC-300 or the Behringer FCB1010, you'll have even more options for control and if you set up different programs with different effects, you'll even be able to change programs on the fly! I think that the remaining oscillators in the Fusion will even sync to incoming audio like the recent Moog Freq box! In fact, Klaus, it may be worth putting a section on processing external audio in you book too... I do hope that 120 pages will be enough!
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Post by kpr on Apr 30, 2009 18:39:43 GMT
The Fusion Secrets will be not this kind of A-Z 500 pages bible. Let's see what the readers will say when the book is published, and if there is something missing there are always good chances for addendums, specific tutorial clips, etc.
Well, it's about time to post the content though, and I will do this during the next days. The official book release date is planned for end of may.
Cheers
Klaus
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Post by rainbow on Apr 30, 2009 21:24:14 GMT
Hey Shreddie, you're right I've not thought of using the Fusion in this way but it sounds like a great idea and I'll give it a run through when I get a chance
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