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Post by Failed Muso on Dec 6, 2006 22:43:12 GMT
Ok, let's see if I can clear this up.
Fusion has two voice engines. Each engine has 64MB of RAM installed as standard. The specs of the Fusion state that it has 64MB of RAM as Fusion utlilses both engines at the same time in parallel. The E3 upgrade should only be sold as a pair of modules, each with 128MB of RAM. Each module upgrades a single voice engine, therefore giving each engine a total of 192MB of RAM. The upgrade can only be installed correctly using 2 memory cards. Any store that sells these individually is wrong. If you install just one of these, it won't work and will not be supported and may invalidate your warranty.
I hope that clears things up.
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Post by richey51 on Dec 6, 2006 23:22:46 GMT
Robeto is correct on all counts!
The E-3 memory boards are packaged individually for mass productions sake I'm sure.
I think the E-3 memory should be standard on the Fusion. It wouldn't add much to the cost in production and save them money,hassle, and help raise the bar on customer satisfaction !The performance is noticable right away ,and the lack of errors is coolest part of the upgrade. This is alot more than a sample memory expansion although that's great as well and is what I originally upgraded for. .
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Post by Jesse on Dec 9, 2006 6:19:05 GMT
Does anyone know how many memory chips are on each module?
Is it 2 chips or 4 chips?
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Post by Failed Muso on Dec 9, 2006 8:36:37 GMT
Does anyone know how many memory chips are on each module? Is it 2 chips or 4 chips? I believe there are two chips per module, totalling 128MB per card, although I have never seen one in the flesh. Richey has though, maybe he'll confirm this ?
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Post by Jesse on Dec 9, 2006 17:45:59 GMT
Thanks Roberto, I am just trying to understand this E3 memory, if it's just 2 chips then it's 64 Mb per module like Sweetwater says, but there is something different from the E3 memory and standard SDRAM on a computer, something about computer memory being linear and I don't know what the E3 is suppose to be, but the 64 Mb E3 is some how suppose to be equal to 128 Mb of standard SDRAM used on PC's. One Alesis rep I talked to said the memory is shared by the two Vengines (processors).
Not that it makes a hill of beans, but I would like to understand how the E3 memory is configured and works on the Fusion.
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Post by richey51 on Dec 9, 2006 19:18:59 GMT
Hi Jesse
The V engines are on separate boards in the fusion so the memory is not shared between them ,each have their own memory. The CPU's and OS divides the duty of how much of which V-engine is used .It's not equal though, it depends on what synth engines are in play among other's.
Therefore you need two E-3 boards which are 128mb each . When you add that to the 64 mb per V-engine that is standard then you will have 192mb per V-engine.
My own observations on the upgrade:
1. more polyphony ( more close to what specs say)due to the CPU's usage staying lower
2. No spurious errors anymore ..that is ones that are caused by not enough memory to deal with the load at the time.
3. V engine errors stop .. ( If you don't create it)
4. of course more sample memory
5. Alot less need to load from hard drive more sounds are loaded again from having more memory.
6. Stable , rock solid
7. creates more LOVE for The Fusion, less hassle to use
This is why I stick by this needing to come as standard... just so much performance enhancement...which is really noticable when using a large number of sequenced tracks and audio too!
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Post by richey51 on Dec 9, 2006 19:34:24 GMT
Hi jesse
The way the Fusion uses the V engines is a different story .
They are not used equally , it depends what synth types are being used and effects and so on. It splits the duty on it's own terms by the way the OS mandates ...it works though THAT'S WHAT MATTERS!
MORE MEMORY = MORE FUN!
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Post by Jesse on Dec 9, 2006 21:46:06 GMT
Hi Jesse E-3 memory board uses more pricey chips that are higher efficiency than PC memory more close to twice the amount of PC memory to equal it What appears to be (2) 32 Mb chips of E3 memory on each module being equal to 128 Mb is the logic I am trying to understand. So I take it that each of the Vengine boards has it's own 64 Mb of memory, that would be one 32 Mb E3 memory chip equal to 64 Mb of PC memory. I have searched the INTERNET trying to find an explanation of the Samsung E3 K4S561632E-TC75 memory chips which are 256 Megabits divided by 8 = 32Mb is equal to 64 Mb, sorry its' just driving me nuts, kinda like a noise in a car when I don't know what is causing it. www.sweetwater.com/images/items/xl/FusionRAM-xlarge.jpgThanks for your input Take Care
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Post by Failed Muso on Dec 9, 2006 22:40:00 GMT
Hi Jesse E-3 memory board uses more pricey chips that are higher efficiency than PC memory more close to twice the amount of PC memory to equal it What appears to be (2) 32 Mb chips of E3 memory on each module being equal to 128 Mb is the logic I am trying to understand. So I take it that each of the Vengine boards has it's own 64 Mb of memory, that would be one 32 Mb E3 memory chip equal to 64 Mb of PC memory. I have searched the INTERNET trying to find an explanation of the Samsung E3 K4S561632E-TC75 memory chips which are 256 Megabits divided by 8 = 32Mb is equal to 64 Mb, sorry its' just driving me nuts, kinda like a noise in a car when I don't know what is causing it. www.sweetwater.com/images/items/xl/FusionRAM-xlarge.jpgThanks for your input Take Care Does this level of detail really matter ? At the end of the day, you buy the E-3 package that includes two cards that are fitted, one to each engine, giving you 192MB per engine working in parallel. The type of chip used or it's configuration is neither here nor there. I just find it peculiar that people get stressed out by stuff that really doesn't matter !
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Post by Jesse on Dec 10, 2006 0:33:37 GMT
"Does this level of detail really matter ?"
Sorry Roberto, I know it does not matter to most people, but I need to know what makes things tick, I will look elsewhere for the info I need on the E3 memory.
Take Care
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Post by richey51 on Dec 10, 2006 5:32:52 GMT
Hi Jesse Ok they are 32 bit chips of which there are 4 of!! look at page 14 of Baxes PDF instructions on the website below , It shows the connector side of the E-3 card ...which is the opposite side to the one sweetwater shows! baxweb.com/Fusion/8HDUpgrade.pdfYou now have the knowledge Having the upgrade is alot more exciting though!!
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Post by Jesse on Dec 10, 2006 13:45:17 GMT
Richey, Thanks for your time , logic and help
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Post by richey51 on Dec 21, 2006 13:32:30 GMT
So Jesse
Did you get the memory upgrade yet?
If you need any help with it let me know!
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Post by Jesse on Dec 22, 2006 0:22:14 GMT
I might have to wait for my tax refund, I also want to replace the IDE (ATA) hard drive with a Western Digital 80Gb 10,000 RPM Raptor SATA drive if possible. I have to run some checks first though to see if the Fusion will read and write to a SATA hard drive through the SATA (external HD/CD/DVD) port or see if it is possible to make the Hard Drive swappable through the back of the Fusion so if I ever need to replace the hard drive or use a backup drive, I can do so without having to disassemble the Fusion. ;D
Oh yeah, by the way my warranty is expired
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Post by richey51 on Dec 22, 2006 5:19:10 GMT
Hi Jesse A Sata drive will not work as a main drive,it has to be EIDE. I researched this out and have the perfect drive for the fusion. The Western Digital 160 gig that's in my Fusion is a 1 million hour enterprise class drive. The fusion will format 128gig of it before the volume folder is added! This drive can take constant head seeking 24 /7 which is more than we can do to it. The drive can take more shock running and not running than any desktop drive. The transfer at is 100 MB per sec. it's fast and quiet. One advantage is it is easier on the power supply than the stock drive which is also a Western digital .Buy direct from Western Digital and you get a five year warranty. I have not seen this drive anywhere else . It's made for Audio visual use and small server apps . You have the right idea wanting a fast reliable drive this is the one , Ive had mine 9 months and it really is a great drive. It's well worth the extra cash. When I bought mine it was 100 dollars, now i t's 20 less. Here's the link ...... www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=91I believe that eventually we will see the Sata external connector working in a future OS!!
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