Sampling Legalities

[jiffy]

Roberto Wrote
IMO, if you've sampled presets from an existing instrument and then distribute them (for free or profit) you are infringing on the copyright of the original synth manufacturer. However, if you created new sounds from scratch and sampled those, or took a preset and modified it beyond all recognition, you would probably be ok, but it would probably be unwise to bill them as "taken from "XYZ" synth".

Hope that clarifies

Thanks for the answer, Roberto, but there's one or two points you could clarify, if you would.

The Mini Monsta, which I refered to in my original post, is a Mini Moog emulator and doesn't actually use samples, but creates the sound with electronics, like the original Mini Moog, (I think I'm right in saying that, anyway!).

My first question is, could I reproduce the the knob settings from the Mini Monsta onto a real Mini Moog and then sample the Moog to use the samples legally?

My second question, could I take a public domain patch sheet for the Mini Moog, reproduce those patch settings on the Mini Monsta, and then sample those legally?

Paul.

[markone]

Why not take the patch sheet/klnob settings and see how far you get progtamming the fusion VA with them? You might be surprised! The fusion VA is pretty flexible, has 3 oscillators (like the moog) a far more flexible routing matrix. You could have the answer right in front of you. It would be a fusion VA patch. It wouldn't sample anything and as far as I can tell, nobody can claim IPR on the position of a few knobs!*

*Although having said that we live in a crazy world where 1/4 of the human genome is now covered by patents (complete madness) Lets patent roast beef, and the sky and Mars too while we're at it!

[Hollow Sun]

jiffy said:

My first question is, could I reproduce the the knob settings from the Mini Monsta onto a real Mini Moog and then sample the Moog to use the samples legally?

My second question, could I take a public domain patch sheet for the Mini Moog, reproduce those patch settings on the Mini Monsta, and then sample those legally?

Yes and yes.

But I concur with Mark's suggestion. Although -- of course -- Fusion is NOT a MiniMoog and doesn't have THAT filter, it can get surprisingly close. also, you wouldn't have the hassle of looping samples and mapping them, etc.. You could share them perfectly legitimately AND they'd only be kilobytes rather than many megabytes.


Steve

[jiffy]

Thanks for all your replies.

I'll have a go at the VA route, but expect to have a few questions from me, as I just can't get my head round the Fusion filter/env.
I can never seem to get the filter/env effect I want on the Fusion, for some reason.

Paul

[Failed Muso]

jiffy said:

Roberto Wrote
IMO, if you've sampled presets from an existing instrument and then distribute them (for free or profit) you are infringing on the copyright of the original synth manufacturer. However, if you created new sounds from scratch and sampled those, or took a preset and modified it beyond all recognition, you would probably be ok, but it would probably be unwise to bill them as "taken from "XYZ" synth".

Hope that clarifies

Thanks for the answer, Roberto, but there's one or two points you could clarify, if you would.

The Mini Monsta, which I refered to in my original post, is a Mini Moog emulator and doesn't actually use samples, but creates the sound with electronics, like the original Mini Moog, (I think I'm right in saying that, anyway!).

My first question is, could I reproduce the the knob settings from the Mini Monsta onto a real Mini Moog and then sample the Moog to use the samples legally?

My second question, could I take a public domain patch sheet for the Mini Moog, reproduce those patch settings on the Mini Monsta, and then sample those legally?

Paul.

In answer to your first question, yes. The MiniMonsta is an emulation of the Minimoog but is not in any way official and you'll notice they don't ever make that claim. The only official Minimoog emulator is the Minimoog V from Arturia. As the real Minimoog has no presets, any sound you make on it is yours and therefore fair game for sampling, providing you don't market or distribute them using the Moog or Minimoog name. So transferring knob settings to a real Minimoog from MiniMonsta is fine, although they probably won't sound the same. Similar, but not the same.

In answer to you second question, yes, and most of the above applies in the same way.

If you sample exact presets from the MiniMonsta, you are infringing copyright. Make your own settings and you should be ok. As the real Minimoog has no presets, you should be fine, but in both cases, any marketing or distribution using the names Moog, Minimoog, GForce or MiniMonsta is a big no-no.

M-Audio use this carefully worded disclaimer in all MiniMonsta advertising....

*M-Audio is a trademark of Avid Technology, Inc. All other product names are trademarks of their respective owners, which are in no way associated or affiliated with Avid Technology, Inc. They are used solely to identify the products of those manufacturers whose tones and sounds were studied during GForce’s sound model development.

Hope that helps

[jiffy]

Thanks again, everyone,

Paul

[guydenruyter]

jiffy said:

Thanks for all your replies.

I'll have a go at the VA route, but expect to have a few questions from me, as I just can't get my head round the Fusion filter/env.
I can never seem to get the filter/env effect I want on the Fusion, for some reason.

Paul

Hi Paul, I personally like the VA section a lot. If your filter doesn't evolve in time as you expected, maybe you need to try a multiplicative instead of additive modulation route, or alternatively keep additive, but set the basic filter frequency low enough. Also, try tables - with tables you can map the envelope to both positive and negative values.