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Post by goseba on Dec 19, 2006 23:12:58 GMT
2) better FX (delay times longer than 250ms, for example, or the promised vocoder) Just to clarify, the Vocoder was never a promised feature. On the packaging, the word vocoder is indeed there, but in the context of FX, not as a seperate function, and it is indeed a selectable effect. It's misleading to state that a Vocoder was a promised feature when it clearly wasn't. Just thought that should be cleared up  I thought I would separate this from the other thread as my query is specific to the vocoder. The fact that the box states the Fusion has a vocoder effect and it doesn't (to my knowledge and disappointment) does not make it a promise, but a misrepresentation. I don't want to get into a debate on this, that is not the point of my post. If the vocoder is there, please can someone tell me where it is, effect or otherwise. I have scrolled through all the menus I can find and have yet to find vocoder in any of them. I have also been in contact with Alesis Tech Support a couple of times, as recently again as today in fact, to try and find out about the answer but they have not been able to clarify the situation. Regards, Goseba |
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Post by gwenhwyfaer on Dec 20, 2006 1:01:59 GMT
The fact that the box states the Fusion has a vocoder effect and it doesn't (to my knowledge and disappointment) does not make it a promise, but a misrepresentation. Have a care with such words. Legally speaking, it's only "a misrepresentation" if either it's an essential part of the Fusion, or you can prove that it made a material difference to your decision to purchase the Fusion. |
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Post by Hollow Sun on Dec 20, 2006 3:04:19 GMT
If the vocoder is there, please can someone tell me where it is, effect or otherwise. Let's clear this up once and for all... THERE IS NO VOCODER!!!! I am not aware of it on any carton and I can't say I recall it being in the Alesis blurb either (I may be wrong however). Maybe there is evidence to the contrary but the fact is THERE IS NO VOCODER!!!! Period. Whether that will happen is anyone's guess. Being realistic, I doubt it will in the forseeable future if we are being honest. Steve |
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Post by goseba on Dec 20, 2006 9:30:56 GMT
If the vocoder is there, please can someone tell me where it is, effect or otherwise. Let's clear this up once and for all... THERE IS NO VOCODER!!!! I am not aware of it on any carton and I can't say I recall it being in the Alesis blurb either (I may be wrong however). Maybe there is evidence to the contrary but the fact is THERE IS NO VOCODER!!!! Period. Whether that will happen is anyone's guess. Being realistic, I doubt it will in the forseeable future if we are being honest. Steve Hi Steve, I didn't think there was, but it was Roberto's post that made me wonder if I was missing something on the Fusion when he mentioned it was a selectable effect. I have sent a photo to Alesis of the box mentioning a vocoder (and can send it to anyone else if they really want it). I am currently in correspondence with one of the guys at Alesis support who is looking in to it for me and will make any conclusion known once I have it. I only raised this thread because Roberto said there was a vocoder effect and I wanted to know where it was. Anyway, end of story on that point. Regards, Goseba |
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Post by goseba on Dec 20, 2006 9:36:25 GMT
The fact that the box states the Fusion has a vocoder effect and it doesn't (to my knowledge and disappointment) does not make it a promise, but a misrepresentation. Have a care with such words. Legally speaking, it's only "a misrepresentation" if either it's an essential part of the Fusion, or you can prove that it made a material difference to your decision to purchase the Fusion. Ok, maybe I used the wrong word with misrepresentation but I was only trying to make a point. Maybe mislead, or some other word would be better I don't know. I sold my Novation Supernova, complete with vocoder, to fund the Fusion. Yes, I had heard the Fusion was supposed to have a vocoder at that point and yes, I did see it on the box before I handed over the cash. |
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Post by guydenruyter on Dec 20, 2006 9:37:59 GMT
The vocoder absence has already heavily been discussed. Indeed, the box mentions it, indeed, the Alesis website even mentioned it, and indeed, many of us are feeling mislead - but many of us also have good faith in Alesis and are hoping they will add it in a future OS to make it an even better machine!
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Post by Hollow Sun on Dec 20, 2006 11:30:53 GMT
Well... some kind people have sent me photos of their cartons and there does appear to be a mention of a vocoder - I didn't notice it.
Having been involved in manufacturing for nearly 20 years, I know that things are made out of sequence and the carton (and probably the hardware) was almost certainly manufactured before the OS and specs were finalised - once printed, there'd be no going back (unless they trashed a few thousand cartons!).
Misleading, misrepresentative or just a mistake? Dunno.
Steve
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Post by goseba on Dec 20, 2006 11:42:34 GMT
I started this thread to get clarification on the post saying there was a vocoder effect on Fusion because I hadn't found it. I am satisfied that there isn't (at this time at least).
I didn't want to get in to a debate on it.
I love my Fusion and if I get any news from my current communication with Alesis I will let it be known here.
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Post by goseba on Dec 20, 2006 20:09:04 GMT
The response I have just had from Alesis is; "The box had, by mistake, advertised the vocoder."
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Post by Hollow Sun on Dec 21, 2006 0:05:13 GMT
The response I have just had from Alesis is; "The box had, by mistake, advertised the vocoder." That makes sense. It's not the first time I've seen stuff like this creep through and I know it won't be the last. I used to write the operator's manuals for the 'old' Akai (S1/2/3/5/6000 and others) and they have to be ready at least a month before the product is released/shipped. In practice, the 'raw' manual needs be ready way in advance of that for proof-reading, translation, printing, proof-reading of the printed versions (in all languages). Now, given that the OS is often not finished or finalised at that point, often the manual writer is 'guessing' how something will work (sometimes even defining how something will work). But he's also on the phone every day to engineering asking if XYZ feature will be included. Sometimes it's a flat "no" but other times it will be "maybe... hopefully" or "that's the plan - we should be ok" and so the function is described (although in the absence of it actually working, the description will be vague). But of course, shit happens, and XYZ doesn't make it into the release so now we have a product describing XYZ in the OM even though it doesn't exist - and of course, with 5,000 manuals printed out in half a dozen languages, at that point it's too late (and expensive) to recall them all for a re-write! Something similar would be the case for cartons... maybe even pre-release marketing bumph, etc.. Such is the world we live in I'm afraid... where users want/expect more and more quickly (and cheaper) and investors need to see a return on their often substantial investment and engineers are striving to bring together ever increasingly more complex software structures (and testers are trying the thrash the crap out of them in ever more complex studio environments ... often on prototypes). Gone are the days when a product would be designed, built, tested and then the manual and cartons and marketing would kick in (in fact, I am not sure those days ever existed!). And it's not unique to synths, workstations and other hi-tech music equipment - anything based on software will have 'issues' - I have a digital TV receiver that crashes at least once every few days and I have a DVD TV recorder that is not only dog slow to load and read its directory but has some issues if a disk has been used a few times and had titles erased (it shows 4 hours free but can't record more than a few minutes!). My digital camera also has a problem in that when it shows that there are no more shots left on the CF card, it allows you to take another photo which tramples on the FAT and wipes all photos you have taken (and renders the CF card useless) - I've lost quite a few photos of my daughter growing up that way  I am not saying it's right but it happens unfortunately. As for Fusion's cartons, it's as I imagined - a mistake ... they printed the intended spec on the box at a time when that was the spec intended and expected to be deliverable. Now, whether a vocoder will see the light of day remains to be seen and I believe that it's pointless speculating on that. What will be will be I guess. Steve |
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