christianrock
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Post by christianrock on Feb 11, 2009 15:01:51 GMT
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Post by Hollow Sun on Feb 11, 2009 19:32:42 GMT
If I ever find 'Nebulae' on either of my 8HDs, I'll let you know and I'll consider removing those sounds from my instruments, if that is your wish, provided, 1) you send me a hard copy list of all the copyrighted sounds which are included on or with the Fusion in your agreements with Sweetwater, 2) including a copy of said agreement(s) made with Sweetwater and/or Alesis, which applies to and restricts any uses of said sounds by the purchasers of the Fusion and relavent soundset, 3) and any copies of warnings or advisories which are to be stated to customers before their purchase of the Fusion and said soundset; even though I wasn't a party to that contract or any 'deal' you negotiated with those folks. Mr Clause... If you find 'Nebulae' on your Fusion, there's bugger all i can do about it. I hope you enjoy the sounds. If someone buys a Fusion second-hand and it has 'Nebulae' on it, I can't do anything about that either. Nor would I. I hope they enjoy the sounds! There were no lawyers or contracts involved with my deal with Sweetwater. If anything, the deal was more with Dan there who's a great guy and was probably the US dealers' single champion for Fusion - he 'got it' and saw the potential and championed it when others were whingeing. He likened Fusion very much to some of Kurzweil's finest offerings in terms of sound potential. So, as we had built up a good relationship, I simply let him ship 'Nebulae' on the last batch of Fusions he had in. It was a gentleman's agreement. I don't actually have an EULA with any of my products because A) a lot of them are just stupid and restrictive and B) they are largely unenforcable. I rely, instead, on trust. Mine is a very 'personal' trade and the people who buy or have my sounds kinda know me as a person (albeit 'virtually') and I often get to know them (albeit 'virtually'). Word spreads and so it's all good and they tend not to rip me off. Furthermore, if they see anyone trying to rip me off (like selling CDs of mine on eBay as their own work - bastards! - as used to happen once or twice), they report it to eBay and to me and to the seller and it gets sorted. My customers are largely pretty loyal. That said, I am sure some make copies for friends. I have to be pragmatic and accept that ... and there's nothing I can do about it either. I tend, therefore, to rely on common decency and common sense and for the most part, it's ok. My comment was not to lecture, just remind you of the reality of the situation - giving away my 'paid for' stuff potentially deprives me of some income. Of course, it could be argued that the person you maybe give a copy to wouldn't have bought it anyway but that's a bit of a specious argument - if he's using it, he should, by rights, pay for it. But I understand fully the nature of my business and I know that people will make copies and give them to friends. And, as I say, there's bugger all I can do about it. Even if I found out about, what am I to do? Take 'em to court ... over $55?! I can't stop 'illegal' copying but if any comments I make here about copyright prick any consciences such that people may think twice about it before handing over a copy of my stuff (or anyone else's), that can only be good. Of course, there are those who have no conscience but I can't do anything about those rat's arses either. Steve
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Jan
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Post by Jan on Mar 16, 2009 20:36:28 GMT
3/16/09 Dear Steve and friends; Sweetwater-Schmeetwater! Hmm, and good grief Charles Brown! I am starting to feel like poor Mr. Hammond; 'Is my Hammond organ a clock, or an organ?' Do I owe him money (he is dead) for the sounds that come out of my 60-year old Hammond?! That's just a joke, no burning crosses please:) Nope; I'm not 'begging forgiveness, I disclaim all andhave no responsibility for any wrong and/or evil-doing involving the Fusion and it's sounds. Please gentlemen, I write tongue in cheek, and don't want anyone thinking otherwise. Writing a post is only what it is in the mind of the reader, and with all that goes on in the world, means actually, not a helluva lot in the end, all things considered. I tried to point out the untenable and unenviable position of those of us (musicians) who might by whatever mechanism or agreement, place their original creations on a mass- marketed musical instrument. As Steve pointed out, woe to anyone who may think that any music will stay only on that one instrument, and with one musician after it's bought; it's not a realsonable or enforceable proposition. I wouldn't realistically believe that anyone would ever wish to additionally pay me after my initial creativity was compensated or arranged by the commissioning manufacturer, as most musicians can't afford to shell out additional royalty payments along with the purchase price of the instrument. Hence my point; if you contribute your material to such a commercial enterprise, get your money up front, make your dollars or pounds as best you can then be done with it, happy and make more music. I believe I was clear that I have never had any intention of infringing on anyone's rights or materials, as there were no restrictions placed on the instrument as manufactured and sold. I paid a dear amount for the Fusion and all that made it up. (if I was an infringing pirate, why would I be posting, even jokingly?) I also paid my sincere respects to all. To jokingly address the person who may believe I am asking 'forgiveness' please, Sir; hold up your hand, you and all those fellow hard-working musician blokes, and tell me precisely how many of you has of late sent in your checks and payments due, for all those copyrighted cover songs you've illegally performed in bars or in any public venues so far in your lives, while being paid for your own efforts by said establishments? What?! None of you?! I'm shocked. Not a great or shining example, but I'm sure that Sir Paul, The Who, Led Zep, Fleetwood Mac and all the rest of our professional brethren are now turning blue from holding their breath whilst waiting for your checks. (I forgot to send mine in 34 years ago; sorry, Stevie Nicks; I wonder if we can still work something out on that? That said, I appreciate that Steve (and KPR) gave their material to the 'Sweetwaer' sound package. Cheers for their philanthropic contributions to our art and beloved Fusion:). The fact is, when you backup the Fusion's HDD, the Volume backup you create is the entire guts of 'sound' which makes the instrument sound like anything at all, and is the result of whatever Alesis (or the artists they hire) put into it. If anyone does something like this, please; stick to 'donating' the most basic examples of your'stand alone' artistical works, so that there will never be any allusions to 'infringement' or subsequent monies owed by future instrument owners. I have never infringed on anyone, and don't intend to do so in the future. I have not and will never post the Fusion's sounds for download; I'm not in that business; and except for the 2 volumes I've shared with 2 fellow Fusion owners who purchased theirs new, who like me, experienced drive problems with their new Fusions and hadn't backed theirs up either, I haven't shared it since, but I digress. What I asked for and received on DVD, is what everyone who has a Fusion should have; a complete backup of the contents of their hard drive. I appreciate Steve's kind offer to allow me to keep and enjoy his works which was included in my instrument purchase, and for clearing up his position. I have not received the courtesy of a reply from any other vendors contacted or involved, or their agents, as to any copyright claims or restrictions placed upon the use of other samples or music contained in the Fusions I bought, so to me, it's a truly dead horse Fusion non-issue that none of them wants to get into. I believe the Alesis people do pay for the sample work they commissioned or placed on the Fusion while it was made and sold by them, without imposing any limitations whatsoever, as to post-sale rights or uses by those of us that purchased it. I have no idea if Sweetwater violated any copyrights that Alesis holds, by re-doing the instrument sound package, and then re-selling it, as some kind of special deal; I could be wrong, but so far, except for what I've read here in this thread, I've been unable to confirm or deny such. I intend to make a future purchase (when I get my bailout, eh?) of at least some of the commercial offerings of Steve and KPR, so I hope that will speak well of my appreciation of your talents and works. Like Steve, I too believe that Dan is just as good a guy in his support of the Fusion as most of the rest of us. Since there is nothing else to be gained on further commenting on this thread, the 'Sweetwater' debacle is now buried for me. I'll do as I did before and lurk around to find what good things are going on in the Fusion world, such as it is. If I ever do find anyone actually pirating your works, be assured I will report them to you! (I got a good chuckle at the 'Mr. Clause' greeting, Sir Steve:) Respects. best wishes, and so long, 'Mr. Clause:)
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Jim
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Post by Jim on Mar 16, 2009 22:30:21 GMT
Dear Mr sclause - if nobody else will say it I will - you are acting like a jerk and at your age you should know better.
It is quite clear to anyone with double figures of brain cells what the spirit of the Sweetwater arrangement is and you have already apparently acted against the spirit of it twice and offered freely to do it again whilst at the same time attempting to justify your actions with long-winded diatribes which really say nothing at all.
I wonder how you would feel if you were on the receiving end of such treatment. No - don't answer, I'm certain I wouldn't believe you.
BTW please look up the word 'paragraph' and find out how useful they are.
Jim
(who does gladly pay for patch files since he appreciates how much b***saching work goes into them)
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Jan
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Post by Jan on May 15, 2009 4:29:55 GMT
Dear Mr. Jima: Ouch! Sounds like a serious attitude:)! Sheesh. are a miffed lawyer, fired from Sweetwater for failure to clean out your cubicle, after you lost a sale? Or are you a disgruntled Republican?! Glad you had your say too, Mr. Jima, it's a free country (most countries), even counting your young and tender years! Got a EULA declaration for that 'double-figured brain-cell Sweetwater-arrangement spirit' gibberish you're spouting, or are you from the RIAA, getting ready to serve every musician in the world with a take-down notice? That's got to be a new one, Mr. Jima, call Guiness (not the beer:). I take it you are trying to protect Hollowsun, when Steve himself basically said, ''forget about all of it? I was chuckling at flame- taunters throwing muck much worse than your prose between sets in bars, when you were still a gleam in your daddy's eye, so, step outside and get over yourself. Dictionary? What part of the teacher's union are you spouting for:)? You surely have a couple of worthy samples to share or contribute for the Fusion, instead of trying to pick a word duel with a harmless senior citizen, or are you one of those hippy-sippy type of fellas, who likes attacking anything and anyone he doesn't agree with or really understand? (I'm really not that old Jimma boy, so don't believe all that I write anywhere, this IS the internet after all: actually, I've been selling my own compilation of derivatives from countless bootlegged sound collections dating back to the 1812 Overture! I've even done my own samples based on stuff I ripped off from Bach, so take them apples. How are you getting along with that set of samples you bought from me last year, you know, the one that had all the Sweetwater spirit on it?; HA:). Seriously, how about using all that haughty-taughty judgment of yours by pointing out some truly inspiring programming techniques for us, so you can help us 'good ole boys' with our Fusions, whom you contend don't know the meaning of the word 'paragraph' ? I bet you could whip out that 'dictionary' of yours to teach us how to put put a full syssex implementation into the Fusion! Couldn't find any other examples of your fine prose anywhere else on the site; I feel so special now:) Come on, Jimma, have some fun! Rock and Roll!
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Post by Hollow Sun on May 15, 2009 11:49:27 GMT
WTF is this all about Clause? You reply to a member here almost two months later in such n unpleasant tone? You have made just seven unhelpful posts here, all of them incoherent, rambling rants seeming to advocate piracy and not just that, piracy of MY material. One more outburst like that and you're out the door because that attitude is not welcome here ... and neither are you if all you can be is antagonistic. Steve himself basically said, ''forget about all of it? No I didn't. I said that there's not much I can do about it (unfortunately). Stop making crap up to suit your ends. And please look up the word 'paragraph' as suggested!
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Post by madprof on May 15, 2009 18:54:51 GMT
Hi Steve, I wanted you to know I've ripped off all your sample libraries and put them all up on The Pirate Bay because well I can't think of a better reason than I felt like it and let's face it no one on there is going to buy them anyway because they would not be looking on there for them if they were going to buy them at least that is my logic (you understand right Stevie boy?) and I have to make it clear now that there is no attempt on my part to infringe your copyright because when I got your sample libraries I got them off someone else who bought them so really they are the only ones to whom it all applies right? But seriously you need to lighten up now because I am just one guy and I don't mean any harm I just want to share your works with everyone else I mean that is nice isn't it it's a nice thing to do right Stevie boy? We've all ripped off stuff from people let's face it I bet you have videoed loads of television shows in the past and you never paid any of them did you? Ouch! Sounds like a clear case of copyright infringment Stevie boy but only joking I know that is not the issue really and the issue is that your contention is over paragraphs which are overrated I mean let's face it we've all written huge paragraphs in the past right (cont page 94)
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Post by Hollow Sun on May 15, 2009 20:22:08 GMT
Hi Steve, I wanted you to know I've ripped off all your sample libraries and put them all up on The Pirate Bay because Well you're a fool unto yourself... If you had any sense, you'd have sold them on eBay (another pirate's paradise) claiming them to be your own creation. I am disappointed in your lack of ingenuity. It's not an original idea - people have been selling my stuff (and other peoples') on eBay as their own work for ages and the truly great thing about it is that if the copyright holders contact eBay, they couldn't give a fucking shit and put the onus on the copyright holder to go through a long and tortuous process to prove it by which time, the seller's buggered off. It's a great scheme you should consider for future reference! Steve
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Post by madprof on May 15, 2009 21:09:15 GMT
Well excuse me then, I'm off to eBa-....er.... I'm off to the pub
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Post by markone on May 16, 2009 11:56:43 GMT
<self moderated deletion>
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comradec
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Post by comradec on May 16, 2009 20:30:43 GMT
<self moderated deletion> Why the self-censorship?
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Post by psionic11 on May 16, 2009 23:33:26 GMT
Hi Steve, I wanted you to know I've ripped off all your sample libraries and put them all up on The Pirate Bay because well I can't think of a better reason than I felt like it and let's face it no one on there is going to buy them anyway because they would not be looking on there for them if they were going to buy them at least that is my logic (you understand right Stevie boy?) and I have to make it clear now that there is no attempt on my part to infringe your copyright because when I got your sample libraries I got them off someone else who bought them so really they are the only ones to whom it all applies right? But seriously you need to lighten up now because I am just one guy and I don't mean any harm I just want to share your works with everyone else I mean that is nice isn't it it's a nice thing to do right Stevie boy? We've all ripped off stuff from people let's face it I bet you have videoed loads of television shows in the past and you never paid any of them did you? Ouch! Sounds like a clear case of copyright infringment Stevie boy but only joking I know that is not the issue really and the issue is that your contention is over paragraphs which are overrated I mean let's face it we've all written huge paragraphs in the past right (cont page 94) As I understand it, this post was made as a spoof to that other guy's post, correct?
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Post by Shreddie on May 17, 2009 0:09:59 GMT
As I understand it, this post was made as a spoof to that other guy's post, correct? I would think so, yeah!
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Post by Hollow Sun on May 17, 2009 0:15:05 GMT
As I understand it, this post was made as a spoof to that other guy's post, correct? I hope so!!! Steve
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Post by markone on May 17, 2009 9:51:26 GMT
and hence my self moderation. didn't want to flame someone for a spoof. ,,.
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