Use aftertouch to mod volume?

[bobadams]

Great board you guys have going. I've learned a lot.

Can anyone give me some ideas on how to set up aftertouch to mod volume? So, when I have a horn section playing a sustained chord, I can make it increase in volume (swell). Ideally, I would like to have the volume increase faster as I push harder.

Seems like I've tried everything, but I don't have it working yet, so obviously I'm missing something big.

Thanks!

[deweak]

You have to create a new mod with aftertouch as a source and volume as a destination. But volume has to be set to a low value if you want this mod to be effective.

[Hollow Sun]

You might also want to route aftertouch to filter cutoff as well as it is common for brass to get brighter as it gets louder.

[deweak]

Thanks, Steve. Hi, Steve :-)

[bobadams]

Thanks for the tips, both of you. I had tried a straight mod from aftertouch to volume, but even starting with a 50% program volume, got a weak effect. Think I'll supplement that by using a/t to also start some duplicate honrs to add to the strength.

[deweak]

Another thing to consider is the aftertouch sensitivity : you can edit the transfer curve of the aftertouch mod to fit your pressure strenght.

[bobadams]

Thanks, deweak. One question on the table function: If you want to start from 0 sound and rise from there, should your first point be in the middle of the grid (0,0), on on the bottom left (-100,-100). I'm a bit confused why there would be time points less than 0. Negative value points make sense, if you want to lower volume, say, but how does negative time work?

Thanks again for your insigts and knowledge.

[gwenhwyfaer]

(Did I post something on this thread? It seems to have disappeared...)

[guydenruyter]

bobadams said:

Thanks, deweak. One question on the table function: If you want to start from 0 sound and rise from there, should your first point be in the middle of the grid (0,0), on on the bottom left (-100,-100). I'm a bit confused why there would be time points less than 0. Negative value points make sense, if you want to lower volume, say, but how does negative time work?

Thanks again for your insigts and knowledge.

Well, neither axe represents time in a table. Both are 'mod values'. The X (horizontal) values get mapped on the Y (vertical) values, that's all. So, suppose you have an envelope mod, and you add a table, you can do weird things.

I use tables for the following: turning a button until halfway makes the pitch increase, turning it further makes the pitch decrease.

[jpvideo]

BTW Gwen, you said in another thread that applying effects to audio tracks was impossible. Untrue. I finally hooked up a microphone and did some tests and ALL of the FUSION effects processes can be applied 'indiviually' to ALL of the 8 audio tracks and saved into a song. Although, I may have to use a pre-amp to boost the gain enough to make it viable against the output of the 'synth' instruments. I'm just using a 'direct box' -10db? I believe which has the highest gain on the unit. Very flexible and clean however.

[bobadams]

thanks, guydenruyter! With a lot of experimentation, I think I have it working. Coordinating with positive or negative 'amount' values and 'additive' vs. 'multiplicative' was also part of the answer.

[gwenhwyfaer]

jpvidep said:

BTW Gwen, you said in another thread that applying effects to audio tracks was impossible. Untrue.

First of all, why so combative? and why on a long-dead thread with no relevance to your topic, one where my only, er, contribution was to be a bit nonplussed, when you admit that there is a much more appropriate thread to revive? This kind of behaviour comes across as being personally motivated.

Secondly, I think you misinterpreted me. You can send the audio tracks through either or both bus effects and the master EQ. But on playback, you can't send the audio tracks through an insert. Neither can you apply the Fusion's effects to tracks as you record them at all; bus effects have to be done at playback (which makes sense when you think about it). As far as I remember, the discussion to which you were referring was primarily concerned with recording; so even if I did actually make the assertion you claim I did, in that context it was a reasonable simplification of the situation.

Thirdly, this is quite off-topic in this thread. If you have a burning desire to have the last word on this matter, you may go for it with impunity.

[jpvideo]

I'm of course not trying to be combative. No way I just couldn't find that original thread so when I saw your latest post I took the oppurtunity to inform you of this information. I didn't think it was worth starting a whole new thread.

Although, I would like to know if there is a way to record the microphone (directbox/audio input) with greater gain or output the audio track with greater gain. I can't get the amplitude on par with the synth tracks.

[markone]

jpvidep said:

Although, I would like to know if there is a way to record the microphone (directbox/audio input) with greater gain or output the audio track with greater gain. I can't get the amplitude on par with the synth tracks.

Get yourself a mic preamp.

www.tweakheadz.com/catalog-mic-preamps1.htm

something like a little ART or even a Behringer would probably do fine.

I think a Neve or SSL would probably be overkill.

Get one that does phantom power and then you can also use a condenser mic. Which will be (generally) much better for recording vocals.

[Shreddie]

I can vouch for the ART Studio V3, a friend of mine has one. Only a little box but sounds far better than it's small price tag would suggest. There's a review here. There are a great many other preamps out there of course tho. It just depends on how much cash you want to spend and what features you want. Then of course there's channel strips, with preamp, EQ and compressor (sometimes other features) all in one box. There are some truly fantastic ones available in the £200-400 range.